Over the past week, a video surfaced of Dr. Francis Collins, former Director of the National Institutes of Health, admitting that multiple recommendations that led to shutdowns, mandates, and other restrictions, were made without complete data and without concern to the consequences. That adds fuel to the accusations that the "expert class" that contributed to the shuting down businesses, schools, houses of worship, and to the implementation of mandates we now know were ineffective. In this discussion, Dr Phil Magness from the Independent Institute reacts to the comments and discusses why we should remain skeptical of politically-influenced bureaucrats.